Marshall Bayley (senior) also a GGGrandfather

[Q]

I have found a tree on Ancestry with a Christopher Bayley
who married a Elizabeth Eleanor Winckles 18 July 1755
Soho, Westminster, England.
their children are


William Bayley son 24 May 1776 Soho, Westminster, London, England
Thomas Bayley Son24 Jun 1780 Soho, Westminster, London, England
Christopher Bayley Son 29 Nov 1782 Soho, Westminster, London, England
Richard Bayley Son abt 1787 Westminster, London, England
Elizabeth Bayley Daughter 5 Sep 1792 Westminster, London, England
Samuel Bayley Son abt 1796Middlesex, England
Mary Bayley Daughter 9 Oct 1800 Soho, Westminster, London, England

the tree is owned by ba951

[Dizzi R.I.P.]

THOMAS AND MARYS MARRIAGE WASNTBY BANNS
THEY GOT A LICENCE

[Yvonne from Oz]

Goodness me - go out to lunch and come home to a family!!!

Thank you. Will take me a while to sort it all out. (and I have to tidy the kitchen and do the washing up
before the penguin comes home!!)

[JALimestone Plains]

Not sure but the onl;y 1851 George which looks like him is a visitor to a Hptel in Brighton, est birth 1811, Born London and occupation "gentleman"

[Q]

Just found this. Could he have gone back to England and
then come back again

Name: Mr Marshall Bayley
Port of Departure: London
Port of Arrival: Sydney, New South Wales
Voyage Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1885
Vessel Name: Parramatta

[Dizzi R.I.P.]

ONE THING ALL BAPTISIMS STATE
THOMAS WAS A WOOLEN DRAPER INCLUDING MARSHALL

[JALimestone Plains]

Just looked again at 1841 census says Mary Ann was 53, not 58 as I said Dizzi - so she could have only been 16 when married.

[Dizzi R.I.P.]

THATS WHY SHE MARRIED BY LICENCE
SHE COULD OF BEEN A ORPHAN WITH NO FAMILY

[Yvonne from Oz]

Q - that is really interesting. I will have to see if there are any other Marshall Bayley's (besides Marshall Bayley junior.)
Do we have lists of ships departures?

Got to eat then I will sort out all the info DIZZI and JA. I did manage to get the kitchen tidy.

[Yvonne from Oz]

Ok - we have a marriage which looks like it is probably them:
12 May 1804 Thomas Bayley, marriage, Mary Ann Patterson St Martin in the Fields :)

then we have children: Richard 1817, Caroline 1819, Mary Ann 1821, Margaret Elizabeth 1822, Marshall 1823, William 1826

That is an awful long time between the marriage and having children! Especially as she didn't seem to have any trouble having them once she started.

George has been mentioned as being an older brother and an older cousin of mine said that Marshall was the youngest of 10 children (part of that is not correct as William obviously came later!) Unless, of course, William died as a baby.

Just checked - George is meant to have been born in 1809, which makes him between 30 - 32 so your census is probably the right family, JA.

of course - there could be two Thomas Bayleys marring Mary Ann Patterson's!! I only have the Sydney Stock Exchanges word to go by!!

Q that earlier marriage you found was interesting - the dates would put Thomas in the right age bracket for marriage, and some of the children's names seem to be carried on in Thomas' children. Is it possible to contact that tree owner?

Do you think it would be worthwhile getting Marshall's birth certificate?

thought - might be better to get his death cert or marriage cert as he married and died in Aust.?

Forget that - i just checked my records - i have access to photocopies of both marriage and death certs - Parents names are blank spaces!!