Experienced people, what would you guess?
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Hello Erich, missed your post earlier last week. I had been wondering if all OK with you. Good to hear that you had a nice brain break Even better to hear that you are making some progress with your elusive grandmother thanks to the eagle eye of a relative. Good luck with chasing up the adoption and keep in touch.
I have been occupied in between travel to Adelaide to see grandson, Melbourne to see son and Sydney to pick up niece and partner from the UK who stayed with us for a week before travelling, then Christmas and New year with doing some family history research for a friend with some success as the name Daxey (Bricknell) is unusual.
Also DIZZI and I have had some success with her Lock who were transported in 1821. All very satisfying. No luck though with locating which George Armitage born c 1805 Yorkshire is my 3 grt grandfather but we all keep at it intermitantly
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I have been occupied in between travel to Adelaide to see grandson, Melbourne to see son and Sydney to pick up niece and partner from the UK who stayed with us for a week before travelling, then Christmas and New year with doing some family history research for a friend with some success as the name Daxey (Bricknell) is unusual.
Also DIZZI and I have had some success with her Lock who were transported in 1821. All very satisfying. No luck though with locating which George Armitage born c 1805 Yorkshire is my 3 grt grandfather but we all keep at it intermitantly
Keep in touch
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Erich I am off to the library on Thursday (if not melted in between lol) Is there anything i can look up for you let me know either here or email me
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Well, if you had time, my most pressing need at present is to find anything about Ernest McQuillan Hargraves in Australia before his wedding in 1913. He supposedly was born in Lincoln UK (perhaps Linton UK) about 1881 and came to Australia sometime between then and 1913, probably around 1900. I have tried Sands Directories (Sydney), shipping lists, newspapers, etc, but can't find anything. I need this because I can't find anything definite in UK, so need some extra clues. I don't know what there could be. He worked as a chef at Jervis Bay Naval station (it seems almost certain this was on the construction crew) around 1913.JALimestone Plains wrote:Erich I am off to the library on Thursday (if not melted in between lol) Is there anything i can look up for you let me know either here or email me
I feel a little guilty even suggesting anything, but since you asked ..... : )
PS Sorry to reply so late but I've been on holidays.Thanks so much for asking!
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Erich, all I could find last time were the electoral roll entries for Ernest and Olive Blanch in Gunnadah. I will look again to see if I can find him at Jervis Bay but drew a blank last time. It is frustrating - i will also look to see if i can find a shipping record. AM I right in thinking he came in the late 1890s/ early 1900s ? Glad you asked me - a pleasure I will send you my summary from your posts of what I knew.
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Hi Eric. and JA Hope you dont mind me butting in but I love a challenge..
I dont know if you have found it Eric but the death notice is in the same site that Dizzy gave for the court case..
Also I have found in the 1881 census
Francis Hargraves born 1837 Hebden Yorkshire Lead Miner
Mary Ann wife, born 1843 Hebden Yorkshire..
I cant find them after that census..could Francis have died from lead poisoning...and Mary perahps married again having had a son Ernest.Just a thought..
I dont know if you have found it Eric but the death notice is in the same site that Dizzy gave for the court case..
Also I have found in the 1881 census
Francis Hargraves born 1837 Hebden Yorkshire Lead Miner
Mary Ann wife, born 1843 Hebden Yorkshire..
I cant find them after that census..could Francis have died from lead poisoning...and Mary perahps married again having had a son Ernest.Just a thought..
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Hello LM, one neve knows with dead people what happened to them in life And of course you are not butting in - silly person In FH the more force against brick walls the better
The article was interesting. Good find DIZZI
We'll keep searching. I will try to get to the Nat Library early next week. for you and J
The article was interesting. Good find DIZZI
We'll keep searching. I will try to get to the Nat Library early next week. for you and J
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Thank you everyone for your interest and help. It's certainly not butting in, but helping a poor gentleman (?) in distress!!
Thank you Dizzy for that newspaper reference, I certainly hadn't seen that before and I had searched a good newspaper site. That is certainly my grandfather and his second wife. There are some interesting and curious things about this report. (1) A Gertrude M Hargraves, who I presume is the same person, died in 1934. I don't have the date, but as this court case was in November, it must have been soon afterwards. (2) I may try to look up the court documents, as they may (just possibly) say something about how long Ernest had been in Australia. (3) Ernest was familiar with the inside of a court room. He had been there to finalise his divorce from my grandmother (1922/23), and (according to my mother's recollection) he had been taken to court several times by my grandmother to pay maintenance for his two daughters. Now this. (4) That Trove site is not one I can recall seeing before, but it looks helpful. So thanks for all that.
Mary, I had found the death notice on another newspaper site, but thanks for letting me know. I too had found Francis & Mary at Hebden, not only in 1881, but also earlier. Ernest was supposedly born in Lincoln UK, but one person (I think it as Tony on this forum) suggested that it could have been Linton UK, written down incorrectly. Linton is a town next to Hebden in Yorkshire, and the parish is named Linton. So that seems a good hypothesis to start with. But it runs into problems ..... (1) I can find no mention of Ernest's birth (about 1880/81) nor any mention in the 1881 or 1891 census of him or any other children living with them. They would have both been a few years either side of 40 by the time Ernest was born, so you'd think there's be other children. (2) He (according to the time he'd been in Australia recorded on his marriage certificate) migrated in about 1899, but he's not anywhere else I can find in the 1891 census, nor on any shipping list. (We did find some plausible shipping notices and a death for Mary Hargrave in Victoria, but they all turned out to be dead ends.) (3) There are a couple of other Francis & Mary Hargraves in northern England, so that makes the Hebden couple less certain
I'm inclined to think the ones you mention are the correct ones, and they simply didn't have children until late or the children weren't included in the census for some strange reason, but the fact that I can't find a plausible Ernest anywhere in England is disconcerting. With no birth, no census, no shipping, it makes you wonder whether something is wrong, and he came from elsewhere, or changed his name or something. If you have any information that throws light on any of this it will be very gratefully received! Thanks.
JAL, thanks again for your continued helpfulness and cheerfulness. Let us hope you are rewarded with a find!! Thanks.
If only our ancestors knew what stress they give us trying to trace out their unlikely lives, they would have made things clearer! or perhaps not!!
Thank you Dizzy for that newspaper reference, I certainly hadn't seen that before and I had searched a good newspaper site. That is certainly my grandfather and his second wife. There are some interesting and curious things about this report. (1) A Gertrude M Hargraves, who I presume is the same person, died in 1934. I don't have the date, but as this court case was in November, it must have been soon afterwards. (2) I may try to look up the court documents, as they may (just possibly) say something about how long Ernest had been in Australia. (3) Ernest was familiar with the inside of a court room. He had been there to finalise his divorce from my grandmother (1922/23), and (according to my mother's recollection) he had been taken to court several times by my grandmother to pay maintenance for his two daughters. Now this. (4) That Trove site is not one I can recall seeing before, but it looks helpful. So thanks for all that.
Mary, I had found the death notice on another newspaper site, but thanks for letting me know. I too had found Francis & Mary at Hebden, not only in 1881, but also earlier. Ernest was supposedly born in Lincoln UK, but one person (I think it as Tony on this forum) suggested that it could have been Linton UK, written down incorrectly. Linton is a town next to Hebden in Yorkshire, and the parish is named Linton. So that seems a good hypothesis to start with. But it runs into problems ..... (1) I can find no mention of Ernest's birth (about 1880/81) nor any mention in the 1881 or 1891 census of him or any other children living with them. They would have both been a few years either side of 40 by the time Ernest was born, so you'd think there's be other children. (2) He (according to the time he'd been in Australia recorded on his marriage certificate) migrated in about 1899, but he's not anywhere else I can find in the 1891 census, nor on any shipping list. (We did find some plausible shipping notices and a death for Mary Hargrave in Victoria, but they all turned out to be dead ends.) (3) There are a couple of other Francis & Mary Hargraves in northern England, so that makes the Hebden couple less certain
I'm inclined to think the ones you mention are the correct ones, and they simply didn't have children until late or the children weren't included in the census for some strange reason, but the fact that I can't find a plausible Ernest anywhere in England is disconcerting. With no birth, no census, no shipping, it makes you wonder whether something is wrong, and he came from elsewhere, or changed his name or something. If you have any information that throws light on any of this it will be very gratefully received! Thanks.
JAL, thanks again for your continued helpfulness and cheerfulness. Let us hope you are rewarded with a find!! Thanks.
If only our ancestors knew what stress they give us trying to trace out their unlikely lives, they would have made things clearer! or perhaps not!!
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Eric I am off to the Archives this afternoon
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Eric, no luck yet, I will need to go back - lots of local shipping and only a few overseas but no ernest as yet, sorry.
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