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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 6:23 am

Thank you Q I have received them. Very grateful.

Mary married John Kilminster / Kimmister/ Kemstear and every variation in between!! :lol: :lol:

Almost 100% we have the right couple BUT where they met each other and how remains a mystery as does her parents!!

I think Annies birth might be a clue as to why they were married though.

Does the original tree have an owner who could be contacted?

The trouble with this family is that the same information / misinformation keeps going in circles. Even published
Historical Society documents come up with info that has not been proven.

Ratty's rellie lives in Sydney and has made a trip to the Central Coast Historical Society about their Pioneer Register but
they couldn't tell him where the info came from.

off to check if Limerick is also in County Clare!!!
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 6:29 am

Yes Vonny, there is a tree where contact can be made, would you like me to write to them.
I could pass on your email if you want or nor.

The owner of the tree is Wotherspoon
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 6:34 am

Well - since you ask......................... :lol: :lol: :lol:

I have all sorts of bits and pieces of info - most contradictory.

I have his death cert (nearly 100% INCORRECT)
His Trial records from the Old Bailey (at least I think it is him)
I have his convict records
I have a few applications for Ticket of leave
I have his wedding cert (if Mary McMann and John Kilminster are the same couple)
Pioneer register entries in Gosford area and Liverpool (if Mary and John Kimmister are the same couple)

He says he comes from Bath, England - but no-one can find hide nor hair of him.
He says his father's name is Thomas and he was a plasterer.

Lots of Kilminsters/ kilministers were plasterers and stone workers in that area but there are no
Thomas's with son's John of the correct age that i can find.

Feel free! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 6:37 am

Mary is Wotherspoon / witherspoon the owner of the first tree you put up or the second tree?
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 6:41 am

I will have to go soon, but here goes.

There are heaps of family trees with McMahon married to
William Gates

On the Pioneer resister that I have its says John Kimmister ( John Kilminster)
Born 1808, London or Bath.

Vessel he arrived on Marquis of Bath 15 Oct 1828
Dies 28 Jan 1868
Convict
Plasterer bush carpenter.
Father name William Kemister ( william Kemstear)

Mother name Mary Jane McMahon. I presume that this is Mary's mother

Wotherspoon is the one with William gates as her husband.

Did you say, do you have ancestry?

I am going now, but I will try to pick it up tomorrow.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 6:55 am

I don't think the Gates marriage is at all connected to John Kilminster / Kimmister.

By following the children's births we have a fairly convincing link to join the Mary and John Kimmister - Blue Gum Flat Gosford area
with Mary and John (guess a spelling) in Liverpool.

The name formalised to current spelling around 1900 when all kids went to Liverpool School.

Up till then it was pot luck.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 7:02 am

I just went and checked my records.

I have Charles (son) birth cert. 29th December 1864
I bought it because his was the first birth after mandatory reporting came in and I think the
recorder actually spoke to Mary to get the information. (she couldn't write but signed with a mark 31st Dec 1864).
On that certificate she said she was born in Limerick, Ireland.
She gave Husband John's birthplace as Bath, England.


Just checked a map.

Limerick and Ennis aren't that far apart but Ennis is in County Clare and Limerick is in its own county (at least in modern day it is)

Anyone know if the County's have changed?

Also - could Ennis be where they lived but Limerick where she was born?

Next Question - where did the ship 'Nabob' depart from?
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Thu May 24, 2012 4:27 am

Just been doing some checking.

On the Assisted Passenger Lists I sent to you.

No 81077588
Mary McMahon age 17 Gone to Barracks.

No 81077726
Left hand page residence looks like Ennis,
except for last 2 which are Westminster 7 Sept 1841
and Liverpool 8 Sept 1841
On right page under religion it is lsted as Roman Catholic.
But on the Pioneer register it states Church of England

No 81080289

Think the native place may say Clare. Mary
is listed has an house servant.

Arrival date for the NaBob is 21 Feb 1842.

All this information seems to fit except for the religion, which
Mary could have changed. You would expect some one from Ireland
to be Catholic.

Something else I found which sounds interesting.

A tree called Wills, Brown, McMahon, McKeown
Owner Bain_Anne


Michael McMahon born in Ireland, wife Mary Mullins
2 sons listed Thomas who died in 1882 in NSW Australia
and Michael John who died in 1893 in NSW Australia.
No mention of a daughter, but listed as living in Scotland
in 1881

May or may not be the same Mick & Mary.
More research needs to be done on the sons I think.

Just going to see if I can finsd out anything about the Nabob,
but I think it may well have departed from Liverpool. Just a hunch.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Thu May 24, 2012 4:54 am

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-arc ... s/nrs-5316

This is the site where you can find the passenger lists.

The Nabob did leave from Liverpool.

On the list are Mary McMahon listed under single females

There is also under families a Michael & Margaret McMahon with 2 sons and a daughter.

Michael McMahon age 36 Blacksmith from Clare
Margaret McMahon age 34 farm servant from Clare
2 sons Michael age 13
Thomas age 3
daughter Catherine 9

Also listed under single males is a
Edward MvMahon and 19 Blacksmith from Clare.

It would make sense that they would all know each other and maybe all
the same family. If so Margaret would have been only 15 when she had Edward,
a possibility, but it could also be that Margaret is Michaels second wife, in which
case Mary's mother could have been Mary Mullins.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Thu May 24, 2012 5:00 am

Don't know what to make of this, another puzzle

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... larke.html


John (1809) married Mary (Margaret) McMahon on 15th October 1842 in St. Mary's Church, Sydney.
John and Mary had 6 children - John and Annie (twins) (b. 10/4/1847), Edward, James, Harriett and William J. (b.1861).

John was a brickmaker by calling. On the 29th December 1831 he was convicted of house breaking and received a sentence of ten years and transportation to Australia. He was five feet five and a quarter inch tall, ruddy and freckled complexion with sandy brown hair grey eyes, and tattoos of anchors on his arms. He was transported on the "Clyde" and sent to work under his master Thomas Cowper at Ballalaba, between Braidwood and Captains Flat NSW.
John received a ticket of leave on the 2nd. October 1837, and his "Certificate of Freedom" No 42/583 on the 17th April 1842.

The McMahon family.

John McMahon married Mary. Mary was born in Ireland. They had a child, Michael born in 1806.

Mary (Margaret) McMahon was born 1825 in Clare, Ireland and arrived in Sydney 21st February, 1842 on the "Nabob", with her parents, as Bounty Scheme passengers, from Ennis in the county of Clare, Ireland. She was a house servant, and could read. She died 4th July 1865 in Kent St. Sydney and was buried 6th July 1865 in the RC Cemetery Rookwood.
Marriage Details: - The Minister was Patrick Andrew Hogan. The Witnesses were Michael McMahon and Patrick and Mary Considine, all of Sussex Street Sydney. All parties signed with their marks.

Michael McMahon the son of John and Mary was born 1806 in County Clare, Ireland.
Michael married Mary MULLINS Abt. 1840 in Ireland. Mary was a daughter of Edmund and Catherine. Michael died in 1874.
Michael and Mary had 6 children - Edward (b.1823), Mary (Margaret) (b.1825), Michael (b. 29/9/1828), Catherine (b. 10/8/1832), Ellen (b. 10/4/1834), Thomas (b. 10/8/1838). Mary died in Sydney in 1872.

Michael and Mary departed Liverpool 9th September 1841 on the 503 ton Barque; named the "Nabob" she was 112ft. long with a Beam of only 26-ft. On board were their four children and three young ladies under their protection. They were Mary Doeherty 21yrs. old from Galway, Mary Ward was 20 from Galway and Bridget Devery 24, also from Galway. The McMahons paid a total seventy three-pound, even though they were bounty passengers. On the 16th October 1841 the "Nabob" docked at Madeira for two days, then at Cape of Good Hope for five days. There were 216 immigrants on board. The voyage took a total of 164 days.
The Surgeon's report lists some interesting details in his report.
Question. Did the vessel prove desirable for the conveyance of passengers?
Answer. Not one of the best.
Q. Point out defects in quality of accommodations.
A. The hospital was too close to the "perch can" so he could not use it for three-quarters of the voyage.
Q. What occupations and amusements were provided?
A. Music, singing, dancing, the men played hunt the slipper, and leapfrog, etc.
Q. Was the conduct of any of the Immigrants, (particularly the single women), such to give reason to doubt their eligibility as Bounty Immigrants? - If so, name them.
A. I was informed that the second mate was in the hospital with Elizabeth Mitchell (21single), Catherine Brogan was watching at the door. On going down I saw Elizabeth but not the Second mate, who had hid himself the circumstances look suspicious. One male was reported over a wine cask incident and was given bail.
Q. Was a school established?
A. Yes. In the beginning 30-40 scholars, lately 16-20, no adults.
Daily Rations: - Bread. 3/4 lb. Pork, beef, fish or herring. 3/4 lb. Coffee. 112 oz. Tea. 2 SP. Sugar. 1- 1/2 oz. Flour. 1/2 lb. 3 days. Water. 6 pints a week.

The ship arrived in Sydney with one hundred and thirteen males and one hundred three females. On the voyage, nineteen persons died seventeen of these were children under seven yrs. All but one of these children died of dysentery, the other from Croup. One adult from Dropsy, one from Matter in the head. Two boys and six girls were born on the voyage-. The shipmaster was Capt. Fred K Wilson.
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