Mary McMahon

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Yvonne from Oz
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Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 3:22 am

Hello researchers,

Would you mind doing some checking for me please?

A distant rellie of Ratty's has made contact again (been years) to query the wife of the original Kilminster,
this is what he says:


I am mightily confused.
On my family tree I have the parents of Mary McMahon (c.1825-1915) as Michael McMahon and Mary Mullins (p173, Gosford Pioneer Register; Central Coast Family Historical Society Inc). The same document lists her as born circa 1824 in Ennis County, Clare, Irl. 'Pioneers of Liverpool', p183 said she arrived on 21.02.1842 aboard 'Nabob'. I see a McMahon family on the ship but not her.

Her death certificate lists her father as Thomas McMahon, butcher and mother as unknown, surname Perry (?). It also lists her as having been born in Limerick Irl.


I have a copy of Mary's death cert, which is where I got my info from. Mary died and was buried in Liverpool in 1915. Her daughter Sarah was the informant.
I usually tend to rely a bit more on daughter's rather than son's when it comes to info!! BUT they obviously just guessed her age or how long she had been in Australia (death cert about 68years, other info puts it 73 years)

Now, her wedding cert states that she was about 19 when she married on 20 July 1844 (he was about 33 or 37years old) so that equates with being born circa 1824. but that means she was around 90 / 91 when she died (death cert says about 77years)

Seeing as he was a convict (life), I find it strange that some parents (Michael and Mary) would let their 19 year old daughter marry such an older man (she didn't appear to be pregnant)
and happily wave her off to the backwoods of Blue Gum Flat, Brisbane Water Gosford (he was a sawyer, jack of all trades). As far as we can tell the first child was born around 1846.

So - have we another convict on our hands???

I can see her talking to her daughter about where she was born so Limerick is a possibility.

Just trying to get my head around this so any comments welcome.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 4:33 am

Hi Vonny,

I am not too good at Australian research, but I am having a quick look on
Ancestry and have turned up this
Name: Mary McMahon
Relationship to Head: Spouse
Birth Date: 1824
Birth Place: Ennis, County Clare, Ireland
Spouse Name: John Kimmister
[John Kilminster]
Marriage Date: 20 Jul 1844
Marriage Place: Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Death Date: 8 May 1915
Death Place: Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia
Burial Date: 10 May 1915
Burial Place: Liverpool Pioneer Cemetery, Liverpool, New South Wales, Australia
Status and Religion: Church of England
Father Name: Mick McMahon
Mother Name: Mary Mullins
Family Members:
Name Relation
John Kimmister Head
Mary McMahon Spouse
Annie Kimmister Child
John Kimmister Child
William Kimmister Child
Mary Jane Kimmister Child
Sarah Ann Kimmister Child
Ellen Kimmister Child
Frances Ellen Kimmister Child
Thomas Henry Kimmister Child
Emily Margaret Kimmister Child
Edward Kimmister Child
James George Kimmister Child
Alfred Francis Kimmister Child
Charles Kimmister Child

There are heaps of Mary McMahon's arriving in Australia from Liverpool.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 4:48 am

I found this family tree, but I don't think the Mary's are the same, although they have the same parents.

Mary McMahon
Birth 1827 in Ennis, Clare, Ireland 1825?
Death 4 Apr 1906 in "Trentham"Wickhamtcebris
Birth
Ennis, Clare, Ireland 1825?


1845
Age: 18
Marriage to William Gates
Sydney


1906 4 Apr
Age: 79


Death
"Trentham"Wickhamtcebris

Burial
Toowong Cemeteryfrjamesbyrne




Family Members
Parents

Michael McMahon 1790 – 1874
Mary Mullins

Spouse & Children

William Gates 1823 – 1887

Frances (Fanny) Gates
William Gates 1849 –
Margaret Gates 1850 – 1906
George Gates 1851 –
Jessie Gates 1855 –
Henry Gates 1857 –
Ellen Gates 1860 –
Matilda (Tilley) Gates 1862 –


Hope you can follow this, it didn't copy very well.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 5:09 am

I have found a record for a Mary McMahon coming to
Australia as an assited Immigrant aboard the Nabob.
Arrival 21 Feb 1842.

I think there may be 2 Mary's one who married William
Gates and one who married John Kimmister. Unless she married
twice,But that doesn't seem feasible One marriage was 1844 and one 1845.

The death dates are different the one married to William GAtes was 1906
and the one to kimmister was 1815, this one must be yours, she was burried in
Liverpool
I think its the parents who need sorting.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 5:11 am

Thank you Q.

Your first one from Ancestry must be the information that Ratty's rellie has - although he apparently got it from different sources.
It has an extra child (Annie) that I have never seen before!!!
(but just maybe Mary was pregnant with Annie when she got married!!)

Have no idea about the second tree but very strange that the parents names are the same (although not impossible I suppose)
none of the rest of the information fits with anything I have.

Q - the record of her arriving is the one we need. Where is it and can you copy it??
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Dizzi R.I.P. » Wed May 23, 2012 5:15 am

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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 5:17 am

DIZZI THAT'S THE TREE I LOOKED AT, THAT IS THE ONE WHERE MARY IS MARRIED TO WILLIAM GATES.
HER DEATH DATE ON THIS ONE IS 1906.
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Yvonne from Oz » Wed May 23, 2012 5:19 am

Guess what i just found!!!

V1843541 27A/1843 KINNISTER ANNIE JOHN MARY



(and we thought we had exhausted all the spelling possibilities!!!)
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 5:56 am

I have sent a couple of emails with the Assited Passenger List.
for MAry. I hope that it is the right one.

Did your Mary marry Kimmister?
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Re: Mary McMahon

PostAuthor: Q » Wed May 23, 2012 6:17 am

Me again. Do you have information for John Kimmister?
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